Wednesday, January 30, 2008

Hook, line & sinker

As you can see from the prior post, your folk may be rawdawgbuffalo, but I do have a heart, at least my children think so. But back to the regular rigamaroo. I had to get this off of my chest before the Memphis-Gonzaga game that comes own at noon (when i started this post). But I do have one question? How many of yawl votes hands down for democratic candidates? I am just asking because I personally don’t feel they (nor the republicans) have our best interest at hand. As well, I do not subscribe to the argument that they are the less of two evils. Unfortunately, I just think they are better a marketing their selves to black folk. This is to say that Republicans do not care that much about us and as result do not even attempt to secure any part of the massive voting block we represent. In contrast, the democrats do not care as well but their over-zealous pursuit for becoming elected enables them to smile and address us as a community more than the republicans. If you look at it, its just like fast food restaurants. Burger King and Churches have more joints in our community than Ruth Crisp Steakhouse and as a consequence, we eat at Burger King and Churches more. Couple that with the fact that the advertise to us more we eat there more but it doesn’t mean that they are inevitably healthy food choices for us – but we eat there anyway. Historically, the democrats use race as a form of political marketing more than any other party. Often, their sissified nature makes them; especially if they are white, use key words like “the poor”, “underclass” and “under-employed” to represent black folks. The strange thing is that I is they and the republicans equally who talk about playing the race card, in addition to the media. I mean, just the other night, I passed through the channels looking for some basketball and stopped on CNN. The question they were asking: “Was Bill Clinton the first Black President?” Now I could not figure why any REAL news outlet would make such a query. To me it was like asking if George Bush was the first Martian Bigfoot president. It is not us who own these outlets or produce the nature of the political shows, but sensationalist that prefer to have folks focus on the inconsequential.


The real race issue is that race in
Amerikkka is a factor and in this present campaign and all prior and future ones to come. In fact, outside of the economy, two of the major issues folks running on involve race: Iraq and immigration. So I ask you, why do many of us vote democratic only? Especially since now Senator John Edwards has dropped out of the race, what does this mean for the nomination. Will it solidify the block of voters that do not want to see another Clinton in office? Or will is serve to solidify white voters who do not want nor desire to see an African American in the Whitehouse? Even yet, will it solidify those men that do not want to see a woman in the Whitehouse? These are just a few queries. I mean based on history, a similar phenomena occurred when Richard Nixon was elected president. If my history serves me correctly after an assassination and Hubert Humphrey dropped out the race, the Republican Nixon was elected basically without contest. And the issue about race is real and does not let anyone tell you otherwise. America was built on racism and unfortunately, many whites will feel that their obligation, if democrat, will be to support Hillary. Even more so, those that move beyond this, and fell that if Obama is awarded the democratic nomination, although they say they are democrats, will likely vote for John McCain.

The great African scholar and politician
Kwame Nkrumah in his book AFRICA MUST UNITE (wanna say page 24 but its been 20 yrs since i read it) defined racism and indicated that in order for one to be a racist, the had to be in a position of power to subjugate other races to adopt their standards. Not prejudice which can be equal across all individuals but racism. I say this on the eve of the democratic debate to extend the question, why is it that black folk vote hook, line and sinker for democrats? I think I explained it briefly in detail above. So don’t be surprised is one of the three voting outcomes occur, according to this life long Libertarian – yes my folks are libertarian. I mean, how many of yawl that happen to be African American can say the voted for someone other than a democratic candidate, even those who claim to be independent? I rest my case.

91 comments:

Anonymous said...

Nice perspective. I am afraid of the same, either feminist or racist wil shift the vote and racist democrats (yes they do exist) will place McCain in office. Maybe Obama should consider you for some position Dr.

Satindoll2487 said...

I vote for you, hands down, lol.

But for real, democratic; I have to give a little kudos to anyone who has the...balls, for lack of better terms (I would say 'courage' but that would take me to another topic), to even step to us and say anything is for our benefit esp. after everything we've been through in this country. Trust is a powerful thing and they've lost that...

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

anon & Satindoll - hanks, but remeber im a libertarian. I jus think americans come first, regardelss of sex, hight, race, shoe size or education...we the bomb and need to reclaime our economic and intellectual prowess in the world. My man is Dr. Ron Paul, but my second choice is BO.

Dagny said...

Thank you for giving me the source for that definition of racism. I'm always telling folks that and usually end up with a whole other argument instead.

PrettyBlack said...

Deep. To answer your question I am a proud Democrat but I don't vote fully on a democratic ticket...never have. I vote strictly on issues. My hairstylist, a sister, voted for Bush, why? Because she voted on religion. saying what Dems are or aren't in my opinion doesn't mean a damn thing everyone carries their titles differently. You can't put all Democrats in the pot and say they are all the same, just like you can't say all blacks are one way and all whites another.

I am self taught in politics, my mom registered and voted for the first time in 2004, my family never spoke politics, but I do remember when Carter (not a good President, but a great humanitarian) lost to reagan. After that I followed politics and I've always believed in what the Democrats, whom I chose to listen to, had to say.

I treat my party as I would treat them as individuals...Ron Paul...haha I won't even touch that, that's you and what you believe. And one thing I can't stand is a mufucka who knocks anyone for their beliefs.

Doug said...

Thanks for coming by my blog, RDB.

I'm sorry to see Edwards go. He was in New Orleans pitching in his sweat when this campaign started, and he's there now doing the same thing. Maybe I'm naive, but it's always seemed to me that Edwards's desire to help the poor was and is sincere.

Now that Edwards is gone, I'll be backing Obama. Know what bugs me the most about Obama? All this talk about unity and reaching out. After the last seven years, I don't want to see someone "reaching out" to the Republicans unless it's to slap them down. (I'm hoping it's all just talk on his part to win the Independent vote.)

My hunch is that more Edwards supporters will go to Obama than to Clinton. Those of us who backed Edwards did so for his progressivism. (He was NOT a typical Democratic candidate -- anti-corporation, didn't take any money from the lobbyists, etc.) Of the two remaining choices, Obama is the more progressive of the two.

Oh, and to answer your question: I've only ever voted for the Dem. Had to hold my nose through the Clinton years, but I still voted Dem.

Rayo said...

I think they're all liars so I'll just pick the liar that I can relate to most, Obama.

Ann said...

I have voted both Dem, Repub and Independent, and Libertarian, over the years. I have voted for the candidate I felt best served MY INTERESTS. (Yeah, a lot of good that does, sometimes.)

In the end, whites will draw lines along racial and gender lines, and I as a black woman who has lived her whole life in the South can assure that white Southern males will probably vote for Obama before they will vote for Clinton.

But, for once, America....Dammit!...for once....do the right thing, especially for black people. We have put more into this country than any other group in America, and the rest of America damn well knows that.



I agree about Edwards. He was the more progressive of the three, especially concerning poverty and poor people's plight in America.

Tony Stringfield said...

As I sit here salivating over the image of some Churches Chicken and that hot, fat, greasy skin that oozes down your arm when you bite into it, Oh my God, It's, it's, killer man. Literally killer. And that's what these politicians are doing to us.

They got our mouths all watering for something hot and new, however, they just need to enlist a few more of our kids into the military, so they can box em up like three piece snacks ( better known as squadrons) and get those middle east deals rollin.


http://www.media2live4.blogspot.com/

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

Dagny - thank u hon and do come back please. and what can i say read too much and CSPAN and ESPN make sure i do.

Prettyblack - Y are u a proud democrat and how many non democrats have u votd for (especially in the presidential race_) and why are u a proud democrat, tel me what there is to be proud of Lincoln was a republic (albeit Whig beforew that and practiced Whig politics)

Doug - anytime , and i will be back, like the thinking cap u totin' (im country) yep he was the only sign of moderation I saw in the debates and he a good family man. I wonder how much of this hs to do with is concern for his wife health.

Rayo - see u subscribe 2 the hitler over manso argument. How many none democrats have u voted for was my query?

Ann - i feel ya, and it looks like Im gone have to be with Obama, since m first pick, Dr. Ron Paul dont look like he gone make it. thanks for the drive by and i will chk u out if u dont mind

Nicole said...

Never labeled myself a Dem but have voted that way since I've been able to vote (96). I try to vote on the issues but the bickering and dirty campaigning can turn me off a qualified candidate. I, too am sorry to see Edwards exit. I respected the fact that he stayed true to his pre-campaign concerns just as Gore stayed true to his environmental beliefs. Too bad he (Edwards) wasn't a sexy enough candidate for the general population.

Kyle E. Moore said...

Thanks for stopping by CFLF, RDB, and an introspective post deserves an introspective response.

I too have heard that definition before, and have always disagreed with it to a point. In my mind, a more accurate description would be that in to be a racist doesn't require power over another race, however, oppression and subjugation based off of racism does.

In a different light, the qualification of power as an attribute itself requires clarification. In other words, raw authority does not necessarily have to be the only power that qualifies, but also perhaps numbers, brute strength, or maybe a weapon.

Thus, racism is in the mind, not that I'm saying it is imaginary, quite the contrary it is real as can be. But racism alone is hating someone based upon their racial make up. This opposed to prejudice which is a little more, though not entirely, innocuous in that you are taking an attribute, and due to preconceived emotions and opinions based upon that attribute, you act.

Thus, we see what I have seen, and being a white person with faint traces of Asian heritage and growing up in a black family, I've seen an awful lot of racism in many different guises.

The one that perhaps provides the perspective I am attempting to display is, you take a poor white family that harrasses a middle class, well to do, and politically powerful and active family based solely on their hatred of black people. Given the location and economic status of both families, the black family could be said to be more powerful, however, the harassment is still racist.

This, however, is all an academic endeavor. Especially in the context of American politics and the minutia seems to miss the greater fact that at large America continues to have a hard time coming to grips healing the old scars of slavery and later segregation.

One of the things that I think makes this so difficult is that neither the victims nor the aggressors of particularly slavery are around today to account for their actions, nor to be apologized to. How much better would it be if all the slave owners were around right now, and all the slaves, and we could put them in a room with about a dozen television cameras and lock them up until, barring outright friendship, they came to that beautiful mutual understanding of apology and acceptance?

Given today's culture, we would have to make a realty show out of it.

But we don't have that, and the victims and aggressors of segregation are getting ever older or have passed on.

Within a generation or two, aside from the racist acts that are ongoing today, the greater players in the greater events which have left upon this land the scars of racial bigotry will have left this Earth; a great tragedy because while they take with them the actual occurences of history, they leave behind the racial tension unresolved.

It is a terrible situation with no quick or even readily apparent fix. We will continue to live on in those terrible shadows confused and hateful.

For some of it, the only healing salve we have available to us is time. Time and the slowly growing acceptance of future generations. When my father and stepmother first started dating, they couldn't go anywhere without getting dirty looks. A white man and a black woman freely advertizing their love in public was an atrocity.

Today, you ask kids in high school about interracial relationships and they give you this strange look as though you just tried speaking Martian to them. It's not because they are unheard of, but because they are so common they have a hard time fathoming that they have a category of their own.

This is not universal, but there are times where I wonder if it is the best we can hope for, and as the father of two girls of mixed racial heritage in thier own right, my hope is sincere and strong.

Some of it is education and some of it is exposure, and some of it is that we as a people must grow increasingly intolerant of intolerance. However, prudence here must also be offered, for like any idea that comes unwillingly, the harder you push, the harder it has to be rejected.

This is all to say that I think time spent telling the KKK that they are wrong is time ill spent. You can talk to all those who subscribe to the fourteen words (We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children) until the day you die, and no matter how much sense you make, no matter how logical or even passionate and moral your arguments, they are so blinded by their faith in their own hatred that they will not once entertain the idea that they are in fact wrong.

But there are the peripheries that you can focus on, those who grew up in a racist culture, but only subscribe to those racial prejudices as a matter of cultural exposure. A man I work with, for instance, was born into the KKK, but this was not a man who believed in their terrible tenets because he was a devout believer, he was just a member because he played biological lottery as we all do, and ended up having bigoted asses for parents.

Exposure through an increasingly racially diverse community, however, taught him that black people were evil, or subhuman, or any of the vile things that White Supremecist groups preach.

His conversion to a totally accepting human being is not perfect. While he works and is friends with people of color, he has certain hang ups, and hang ups that I must admit kind of bother me a little. Still, at the same time I look at where he is, and where he came from, and I find consolation in the fact that this is progress at work, and his children will be better, and their children after that.

Bigotry must be fought on all fronts, racial bigotry, religious bigotry, and bigotry based upon sexual orientation. But with those battles must come a full and total understanding of the underlying frame work.

Still, as I say, this does not mean you excuse behavior. This does not mean that you allow slights to go ignored. Racism, when it rears its ugly head, should be called out and condemned, and we're not always good at doing this as a society, but the most you can ever do is keep fighting, and keep working on it with the hope and understanding that the problem may never go away completely, but at least it will continue to get better.

Finally, on my presidential preference; I make no secret of my support of Senator Barack Obama, but what really excites me about my endorsement of him has nothing to do with race. I am not one of those who wants him in the White House because that would be a historic and unifying moment and a watershed in the battle of racial tensions in this country, though I do not ever forget this great significance.

My endorsement comes solely from the fact that after reading his book, and studying his political career, I have found a candidate that, despite party, race, age, or any category that humans like to herd ourselves into, I have found a candidate whose philosophies in politics best matches my own, whose approach to problem solving is analogous to my own, who believes in the same values I believe in, but at the same time has that great understanding that we're all different, and in the end to accomplish good, we of all differing kinds of beliefs and values, must find some sort of common ground.

So rare do we get to say such things for those people we vote for, and I understand not everyone sees him the way I see him, nor does everyone hold the same values and beliefs and philosophies as we do, but that's part of the great side of America.

We're all different, and damn it all, I wouldn't have it any other way.

Thanks again for popping by, and I hope I wasn't a bother here.

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

Tony Oh - yea folk, tricker and deciey.

Nicole - i feel you, not me, i vote based on m beliefs, no party afiliation. I didnt vote for gore, he neglected us (Tennessee). He cared more about washington and alaska than us (Tennessee) and its strange, that if he would have wone Tennessee, Florida would have been a none issue, election would have been over

Rayo said...

Oh oops, I forgot to answer the original question. The answer is, none. I'm one of those people that votes for the lesser of the two evils.

Darkbrotha said...

Edwards voters will go to Mc Cain. thats pretty sad. people are going to go opposite their party to get a white man in office.

Hilary nor Obama can win the Presidency.

Lovebabz said...

Ah the elite-ism of education and opportunity. Does being a libertarian let you off the hook on dealing with "real" issues. There aren't any libertarians in office of merrit. However, I certainly understand why you would consider yourself one. After all they are the party of individual freedom and personal responsibility, free market economy...etc. So on face value that would be attractive to someone who is well educated, not pressed for money---in the way that folks are that work in the very places that make Churches Chicken. And to that end, I find it reasonably insulting to those that have laid down their lives for the democratic ideals that have allowed you and I the opportunity to be so well educated. I do not believe folks follow the Dems blindly. And I know Black folks know what time it is in regards to politics. We put our eggs in the basket that could do the most good. The reality is that the Federal leadership has little bearing on the local leadership. Decisions that affect your day-to-day life is made at the local level. So it would make sense to have Dems in power there. At the very least you won't get beat down with religious zealotry. It is not my intent to be insulting to you. But I do think you are being narrow in your observations and I suspect it is because of where you are in your life right now. However I know I do not know you personally, but I have read your writings and I know you believe you are of Country folk and that may well be true, but the realty is the Country folkness--has shifted. I am a democrat. Before I was democrat, I was an unaffiliate but voted democrat. Even in college as VP SGA I was unaffiliated. Even working with Andrew Young and Jesse Jackson registering Black folks in the rural south. I was unaffiliated. I believed at that time that I didn't want to box myself in by being democrat or republican. I became a demoract when I ran for office in my State. Politicians--be it Dems or Republicans aren't folks from faraway places, they are all folks like you and I. You and I must hold Us accountable for the legislative decisions that are done or not done on our behalf. It is too easy to say I am a Dem, or Rep, or a libertarian.
Ahh this, my Brother is a conversation at the Bar with a shot of tequila and a beer chaser.

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

Kyle - I concur, it is in the mind, but if the mind says subject is white, blue eyes, male ect, then object will be non white, none blue eyes and none male. We must admit race as a construct was created by European scientist in the tradition of Galton and others.

I prefer being called a human being. I would accept your postulate if u could assure and tell me that racism is not linked with opression.

I respect your opinion, but as a scientist and a rsearcher, i only see learned differences, nothing else. Your blood, my blood, your bones, my bones, your reticular formations and mine are al the same and work on the same physiological orientation. I can agree that bigotry should and must be obviated.

That being said, I respect your opinion and your right to have such. I would never be in a position to hang you for such given that my purview historically outlines one of civility (as does yours - grea home training can tell). I am glad i bumped into u on the blogospher, out here in this place we call cyberville, and i hope dont mind if i return to yout spot my fellow human....sorry type w 2 fingers and dont use spell chk. ut have a somewhat astute understanding of the Kangs english, hanks t rancis Bacon and King James LOL

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

Rayo - ok

DB - yep, just like what placed nixon in office

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

PS Babz _ have u voted for anyone other than democrat?

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

Babz - for the record, m folk got plus 100 years of working for themselves and never planned to g to college, my mom made me, being the second black woman to gradate from the grad school of Vanderbilt with that said.

Its pragmatism. Jus because a cat has kittens in an oven do not make them muffins. I am what my folks taught me to be. Before my mom, no college grads, but business and landowners. It was them who taught me America was a republic and not a democracy. Not the schools, and the school aint teach me shit, thanks for my folk’s library. The said dont ask no body to protect or take care of you if u cant do it 4 yourself. They said is u cant then go with out. So if such is the case, then I have been narrow since I have been growing up. I didn’t vote until last year and still look at it s a farce. And where I live, before the city does anything they call me and several of the largest landowners to consult us, and they dont vote either and they white. Like my granny said, we didnt march and get arrested for a vote, we wanted liberty. She would always ask me: if u have t ask someone for your freedom are u free?"

Freedom is taken not granted. And the South Africans learned that. Was down with the PAC :one settler one bullet." Now we see what happened there, they got the right to vote, but they own no land.... and Patrick Henry with his dueling self was my kind of folk GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.

So yep, im elite, elite enough to die for what I believe in, and require no one to follow. What sey u claim folk? And I do respect your opinion, i just hope that the disdain i detect in your comment is subjective virture

Lovebabz said...

Now this is a good discussion. THANK YOU. No it was not disdain in my tone or timbre. I feel very strongly about politics and what happens to US. We have invested a lot in America and those of us with talent and brain power and a willing spirit has to do much more to bring everyone along. Though as a Felon I no longer have the right to vote...for now. And that alone is a great source of personal pain for me. I have voted in every election since I was registered to vote at 18. Three generations of women going to the polls together until my paternal grandmama passed. I believe You and I are both narrow in our reach--it can't be helped we are not God. I am not as well travelled or as well read as you. But I have seen US up close in the small places of America--I have been in every State in America except Alaska and Hawaii. I have seen poverty and wealth co-exist in America and abroad. I live in a State that has more rich people than any other state in America.

I applaud your strong spirit.

At no time do I feel you are being unduly harsh or bold. I welcome the exchange. I do not like folks who I am in agreement with 100% all the time. This is good mental flexing and it gives me pause to think about another perspective. I appreciate your indulgence and I hope that you accept my posts in the spirit in which I was posting--one of kinship, connection and love.
Keep it coming.

Isophorone said...

Hi Torrance,

Thanks for stopping by my blog.

First an historical note: The elections in which Nixon ran were both pretty close. Kennedy barely beat Nixon in 1960, and it was the first time the black vote shifted Democratic. This is in part due to the fact that Kennedy said he would use his influence to get Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. out of jail. Before that time, blacks tended to vote Republican.

In 1968, the election was also close. Vice President Hubert Humphrey was closing the gap on Nixon. Remember also that George Wallace was running as an independent and hoping to be a spoiler. Nixon did NOT win that one in a walk.

You might want to examine some recent history concerning black candidates for offices other than President, particularly Republican candidates. Do you think that Michael Steele won the majority of the black vote in Maryland in his 2006 Senate race? Of course not! Heck, here he could have been the first elected black Senator from Maryland, and the Democrats that year snubbed Kweisi Mfume. Other examples exist in the governor's races of Pennsylvania and Ohio.

As far as Obama in concerned, he does win majorities of younger white voters. They are more likely to look beyond skin color, and it is possible that they see having the first black President as something of at least esoteric interest. That, and let's face it, Obama is a much more positive (and less corrupt) candidate than Hillary Clinton. Heck, I'm a life-long Republican and I find Obama to be a likeable person, anyway!

Look, for me, I disagree strongly with the Democrats on issues, and that's why I will not vote for any of them. As for the Republicans, I vote for the candidate I like best, regardless of skin color.

What I often find interesting is how all of us, regardless of skin color, in fact have a lot in common when it comes to the everyday issues that affect us. Now that's a no-brainer, really. But then again, what I have seen in black voters that I know is that they will complain more bitterly about the Democratic politicians for whom they have consistently voted, yet come back and vote for them again and again. Seriously, I'm baffled. Maybe it proves right what you've been saying about the Dems' success at marketing in the black community.

Actually, I have a question for you as well -- do you think that the Clintons have seriously offended enough black voters that said voters will consider voting in larger numbers for someone like John McCain (or even Mitt Romney)?

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

Babz - i look at u as a warrior, first and m sister second. I didnt say I worked on the same campaigns young and Jackson, even rode the bus with Jackson to C, not for their party but for their beliefs. have voted for dems, reps, and Independent and Libs. Its the messegage and if it what i belive in then im down, not the populus. And yes, I have shirts and suits and shoes that are 20 yrs old tha still wear and m pick up truck hat has been paid for for decades. A lot of us dont do that, need the new car. I save. I dont spend on nonsense, i pay bills and save. Its a disciplin i learnd from m fgolks, although they could afford more if the wanted too, was taufght dept was for fools and that it was not important to show others have money, but that money was to make money and not to spend. So I am that way. I grow some of my own food, and hunt nd fish when I can, when folks I know go t the grocery store. so who is the elitest and who is the self sufficinet one. U m folk and im glad to know u and im drinkin both bevergaes now and wish u were here. Maybe we ca pule Kyle down her wit us, that would be nice. Like i said i jus asked, who many folks tha were not dems folks voted for?

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

iso - god point, but u know that state and fed is different, not to mention mone talks, he was more fiscally responsible and folks liked that (dont u agree). I was uncertain about m history. mea Im 46 and cant recollect that clearly now. I do rember seeing wallace shot on tv. ( only had 4 channels back then) but point well taken.

And truthfully, i dont think i is that they are offensive, albeit they are, i jus think folks, all colors, tired of the same two names in the whitehouse, what do u think about tha supposition. and wil be back to your spot, had a god 15 or 20 minutes there.

Lovebabz said...

I tell you what Dr. Stephens, you hold a seat at the bar--when I roll in for the Blogging While Brown Conference in July in the ATL. Check with Mr. Kyle Moore and maybe we can all have a round or two, or three and have a grander discussion. Warrior...you think of me as a warrior first and Sister second...WOW. You must elaborate on that. Email me if you want lovebabz@gmail.com

Seriously, your blog is a rich place for discussion. And I thank you for your kind indulgence.

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

BABZ u are a warrior babz - maybe yawl will offer me an award or food or something u think im worth ms blogging in brown

Isophorone said...

Torrasnce,

I am 46 also. The whole 1968 election was an interesting circus, since the Democrats were the incumbent party and had escalated the war (despite LBJ's promises not to four years earlier). George Wallace was shot in 1972, and I remember seeing that also. His political reincarnation is a pretty fascinating thing to think about, given that he was a former segregationist.

I agree with you that many voters may be weary of repeating Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. I am enough of a realist to realize that Sen. Clinton could certainly win this one, though. They have one heck of a spin machine!

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

Iso - u being nice, spin, i would like to call them Kenmore LOL

CapCity said...

Hey T-Dawg...i'm tired of the politics (for a minute;-) & commenting on your commitment post - but don't want to be the one to "blow" the 69 it's resting at now;-). LOL! U said tell u more 'bout my immaturity which leads me to the celibate/singular state i'm in now:

Here it is ...sistah's head was getting PUMPED by the brothers' attentions. to the point that i couldn't really discern the GOOD brother(s) who were really in my corner. So, now - i'm praying my "spidey-sense" is honed more sharply and I'll SNAP up the NEXT good-slangin' Brother who steps into my parlor coRRECTLY;-). Of course, the Brother's got to be strong enough to let me BE strong, too;-). see what i'm sayin'?

Vox Populi said...

i don't care if the man is black white or purple. I don't like either one of them.

If people can't figure out that obama is not progressive DESPITE the fact that he is black and hills is no better despite the fact that she's a woman .....

no one cares whether condosleeza is black or white just that she's the lying piece of SHIT that runs around the world telling lies.

I liked obama til I saw him in person.

He falls through. Look harder at him.

Black is what he is but he is not your progressive brother.
Still, when I have more time I'll be back to read.

nice blog.

Doug said...

Yeah, I worry about Elizabeth Edwards's health, too. I hope that's NOT what this is about.

I don't buy the argument that Edwards supporters would rather cross party lines and vote for McCain just because he's a white guy. Yes, I know there are some whites who would do just that . . . but they'd have to be prejudiced AND sexist, right? Surely there aren't too many of THOSE people out there?

*crickets chirping*

On the subject of fried chicken . . . when I lived in Southern California, we had Popeyes. That was good stuff. I've gotten food poisoning twice from KFC, won't go back. In Glendale, they have this place called Zenku Chicken -- rotisserie, not deep fried, but the chicken skin turns all crispy and they serve it with garlic sauce. Great stuff.

Aunt Jackie said...

my family is mostly republican...black republicans, card carrying seat holding republicans. Oklahoma is a Red State, and the rest of 'em are Roman Catholics from Louisiana that vote on religion.

The heated discussions between the Dems and the Republican's around the table at Christmas can get close to violent but it's taught me to think for myself.

Although I support the Libertarians in theory I fell strongly that we as a country cannot deny that we are built upon the permanency of a lower class. this is a country that was built on 400 years of slavery...

My concern is that although government out of our personal lives sounds inviting, it doesn't address a group of people who are in that permanent lower class..we cannot ignore the impoverished, the immigrants, they are our working class and they are the back bone of the capitalist gain of our country.

That lower class is, was and will be people who look, but may not act like me..I can't forget about them.

PrettyBlack said...

Okay I usally don't explain my politics but I'll give you a little something. I'm proud to be a democrat because that is the party I chose, as I said before no one in my family ever spoke politics, I learned about it and chose the party I believed in.

As for the whole Abraham Lincoln thing I wonder why some people always bring that up. The act of freeing the slaves wasn't through good intentions it was a way of trying to prevent war So let's quit with the abraham lincoln Diatribe good doctor. The republican party then was what the democratic party is now. Just as it was the republican party who had given Blacks the right to vote...and? The parties have taken a spin. As for voting, I NEVER said I voted for a republican, I said I have never voted on a full democratic ticket. All dems do not have the same politics some are more conservative, some are too liberal to the point it's more harm than good to the poor and underprivileged.

I am not saying anyone in politics is 100 percent clean because hell I don't know. But I know what I have always believed in...and what I stand for. Your politics are your politics and mine are mine.

As for you being a Libertarian...good for you...but in the end it's all politics.

tambo said...

My daughter and I are both blonde haired, blue eyed, corn-fed white gals from Iowa. I caucused for Edwards, she for Obama.

I don't care what race, gender, political affiliation, religion, waist-size, or sexual preference someone is, but I will not, under any circumstances, vote for Hillary. Although I liked Edwards better, it was a close and hard fought decision between him and Obama. Hearing Obama speak makes me hopeful for the future. I believe he can take us forward to a new and better place, that he can bring unity and peace to a very divided, angry nation.

Not all white women will vote for Billary, especially not the two in my home. In fact, I don't personally know a single woman who'd vote for Hillary unless she was running against Satan himself, and even then it'd be a tough call.

Jaded said...

You know, Torrance, I find it very interesting, and promising, that you and I say much the same thing, albeit for different reasons. For years, I have been raging against people who will vote based strictly along party lines without giving any thought at all as to what's best for our country. I've never factored race into the issue before, although you make some very strong points as to why that is an issue when voting for one party or the other. I have been saying for years that we need to place an educated vote because voting is as much a priviledge as it is our right. When my life can be affected by other people, then they'd damned well better THINK and RESEARCH before they place their vote. I spend a LOT of time decided where my vote will go, because I want what's best for all of us. Unfortunately, I don't think the perfect candidate exists, because politicians, no matter how much they say they care about race, only see one color: green. It's about money and power and little else.

The dems give as much lip service as the repubs. They have the voting majority in congress, but what has changed? Nothing. As a matter of fact, they will tell you that they want our troops home. Not only is this NOT what they voted for, we're actually in the process of building a BIGGER presence in Iraq, and are committed to stay there until at least 2013. This is etched in stone and approved by the very people who tell you they want their troops home. Of course, this is supposed to be secret info, because they don't want it to affect their chances of being elected. If the democrats were the answer to all of our ills, a republican would never get elected, and vice versa.

I'm tired of the lip service Hillary gives us. She has "hope" for our nation. She thinks Obama doesn't give a message of "hope." Yeah, well I "hope" I win the Publishers Clearinghouse with a big fat check from the prize patrol, but until then, I get my ass to work. I don't want to hear about her hopes, I want to hear about a solid course of action. The last time she was entrusted with fixing things for our nation, she failed miserably. She's already PROVEN to us that she can't do things at a national level.

If Clinton is elected as president, it will mean that for at least 20 years (if she only serves 2 term) the same 2 families will have run our country and people will still wonder why things are bad. We need change, and fast. In order to get effective change, we need people to THINK before they vote, not just look for the party button.

My next door neighbors are from Ethiopia. They are Muslims, and they vote republican because they are more conservative religiously. My neighbor across the street is black, and he's big in the local republican party because he says the dems pander to the black community and then do nothing.

Our system of elections and government don't work the way they were intended to work. We were never supposed to only have 2 viable candidates to choose from. I support Obama fully now that Edwards is done. I think his inexperience is both a positive and a negative, but I do feel like he really wants to do what's best for the nation, not what's best for his bank account. That's a big factor for me.

Sorry I was long winded again, but you know this stuff really bugs me!

Jaded said...

oops, I meant 1 term for Hillary, not 2. If she serves 2 terms, it would be 24 years of the same 2 families and the same old crap.

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

Ca9 - aint we all, tired of politics, but tell u what next post will b written in your honor and i will cal it I JUS DONT GIVE A FCK.....LOL

Vox Populi - thanks 4 the drive by. i agree with u, color dont matter just policy and reduced TRUITHNESS as your folk on comedy central sy. and thanks for the compliment do return pls


Doug - they are still chirpin and as for crosing party lines, i figure it is possible to pull a
Lieber-wuss

anywho, that chicken sounds good, but i prefer moms and grannies

Aunt Jackie - interesting u should say that, in disposition, most of us are repblicans, and i know a lot of them ok, thats where jc watts came from. but this is america and if we have ver rich, capitalism says we will have very poor



Tambp - thanks for th drive b and i hope u do return, agre aint aboy color biut polic for me, and know for others it my be bout more whic is ju as valid; HOPE, CHANGE, THE FUTURE. Sound like u have raised a wonderful independent thinker. BUT i only proposed that as one of the tenable outcmes of Edwards leaving the race - out of three. Thanks for the time to post a comment hon.

PrettBlack - point well taken, my point about Abe is hat he was a Whig and not a republican. Second, all im saying is regardless of party, until the aint been tainted by K street, they all the same

Jaded - woman, if apologoze for wrintin wha u feel here a m home dont come back. u welcome to express yourself. I do agree, it aint working, and i think bcause 1] poorly informed and porly red populus - u need that in a semi democracy 2] its not a democracy and is a republic and most folks cant see this, which goes back to #1

The Bear Maiden said...

My father has always been Republican, much to the dismay of most black folk. At some point soon I'll actually tell who Poppy is, but for now I'll say he's about as militant and pro-brown as they come, and left the U.S, with a baby me in tow, after Malcolm X's assassination. We stayed out of the country until we were forced back.

Me, I'm currently registered as a Democrat but that's only because I wanted to vote in the primaries for Democratic candidates... one Hispanic, and the other, Obama. Point blank I'll say that the only reason I'm solidly behind Obama is cuz he's of African descent. It's about time. He may not be the best or most experienced candidate, but he's the most viable one that's been allowed in the history of this country. But I FIRMLY believe, and would lay money on it, that unless people universally come out and vote for Obama, we're going to have John McCain for president.

As I explained to the almost-9-year old Sun last night... there are two clubs that run the country. One says they are there to help poor people and brown people, while the other more blatantly helps people who have money. And Obama belongs to the club that says they help brown people. But I'm voting for him mainly cuz he's brown, and I hate Hillary cuz Bill moved his office across the street from Nana's house, and now brown people like Mr. Odell and Miss Francis can't afford to live there anymore.

But as far as presidents go, I usually abstained from Presidential elections. When I did vote, I voted for Perot. And then I voted for whoever was running against Bush in '04 but that election was rigged, so fat lot of good that did.

dc_speaks said...

to answer the question, yes, I have voted other than democratic nominees. I was a poli sci major. It's never that simple. Democracy can never be mistaken for the Democratic Party being all good.

I hate to say it, but some Democrats have done far more harm than good.

ie: Mayor Kilpatrick most recently

Don said...

Another good post, all-mi-t

To be honest, my vote for nothing but Democrat stance was a result of learned behavior. My people pretty much instilled this in me, and since I constantly hear words like you described, it brainwashed me into feeling like a democrat is the way to go for the overall race.

I don't vote every year, but I am going to vote this year. Obama first, if he fails then I have to vote for Hillary Clinton. I think it's better to vote for her than the Republican candidate.

You're right though, the consensus has always been...once you vote 'em in they don't know you. Once you vote 'em in, they can't do jack for you. They only come aroudn when they lack votes.

Words of wisdom, indeed.

Don said...

They don't have us hook, line and sinker do they, folk? lol.

I will have to come back during lunch break and read these comments. Your comment section is better than the newspaper. lol.

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

Bear Madien - I respect any reaso u decide to select a cand. out side of party affiliation. And although u say it is because he is black, i know your astutness wouldnt alow u to do such if u did not belive in his vision, mean, or else u would have voted for Dr Alan Keyes (who is a brilliant man BTW).

DC - ain tha the truth. But i will say about Obama, is that he does reflect common an country folk tendency to be direct and belive in himself. Not to mention he LISTENS, the same is what I got from Dr. Ron Paul. Thats why for me, it would be one of the two period.

Don - LOL, yep, like a big ole black Bass (good eattin i might add). But abot Hillrella eVile, she acts and talks and promotes policy like a GOP cronney and al her money (K street) come from folks hat fund the GOP to, i mean the big lobbiest. Bill and GWB made plenty loot together in that White water deal back in te day

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

DON - a newspaper, LOL I guess im the black fox news network TRUTHFUL and DIRECT would be my slogan...wait till u see what i got land for fritag LOL

PrettyBlack said...

I must say when you said some women are intimidated by you...it's because you have the mental capabilities to shut a mufucka down if they don't know what they're talkin' about...I keep coming back because I keep learning shit...The All-Mi-T keeps you on your toes over here...

And always has a mufuckin' answer...A sista likes that...

Sha Boogie said...

I concur! Democrat does not mean 'we like blacks', I don't ride for either party hands down, because sometimes I agree with one party over the other and disagree just as equally.

LMAO @ Rayo - I agree with that!!!

jameil1922 said...

eh no. i would've voted for mccain had he been on the ballot instead of the 2nd bush. instead i had to vote for gore/kerry. bah. now i don't like mccain b/c of his ridiculous support of the iraq debacle among other things. lets not mention he's 93 years old. unacceptable.

Qucifer said...

YOU have brought up , very eloquently every single fear of mine with this election and the very "out the norm" candidates that the democratic party will probably bring to the table


I wonder if people are REALLY ready for a change and are willing to back whatever their positions might be with a vote of if this is juts going to be a GOP bullshit take over (and PLEASE god For-fucking-Bid That those chumps actually get stuck giving Huckabee to the masses.. he is going to make GWB looks like a libertarian Hippie by comparison)

"D" said...

Peace Torrance!

I think it so very important for us all to ask ourselves what the motive BEHIND these candidates are. Nothin done in this country is by accident. It should be evident to all that race, gender and liberal vs conservative is a means of distraction. We think the way we do because it makes us FEEL good to do so.

Vibe with me for a moment…..

For instance, this country is relying on black folks to endorse Obama and women to endorse Clinton sorta the same things you outlined in ya blog. But Obama, he is bought out just like the rest of the candidates and all our candidates past. So if your endorsement is coming simply from what his form shows you, you are being misled, same with Cltinon. Republicans are no better, they are bought as well. If you carefully study, Obama, Clinton, Edwards, all 3 said, we will pull out the troops, yet in contradiction, we will leave some troops because we have an embassy in Iraq. Which of course the insurgents, will still rise against because they are an occupying force in anothers land. That’s one aspect, the same thing that is going on in Iraq, is going on in Palestine. The so called elected leaders are not the RULERS but rather the FIGURES that we give our endorsements to.

The (Zionist-aka -neo-cons),Jews and others, don’t wish to settle anything, and they create circumstance and situations, by having some paid person or group, do something to create the flux of tension, continuously. Now Obama, is also tied in to a group (like the other candidates thru endorsement), called the heritage fund, who has given money to his campaign, which is tied into N.B.C, which is owned by General Electric. If one recalls, Sen. Kerry came out, and backed Obama, he is a known, skull and bone. So we know, when him and Bush, ran against each other, either way, the people were going to get a Skull and bone member. Weather it was Democratic or Republican. General Electric and Holaburton are known war entities.

We would rather hear a lie, based on our feelings as opposed to the truth, based on facts! If I may say this, this is often how women, choose the wrong men, she moves based on how he makes her feel. Nice words, great slogans, mental sex, yet, when her girl friend or parent or someone says he is no good. She refuses to hear them. Reminds me of a picture in the bible, remember pictures are designed to bring understanding thru principle.

Trials are really about emotions, and it is based in like and dislike. What happens in likes and dislikes is we all have preferences and we get caught up in our preference verse the perfection of a situation, the perfection of a situation are the things that went into it, to lead us to the decision we make about a given circumstance.

For example : A parent has told her daughter , about a man she likes, and she tells her all the things that she see's in this man that are not good, the daughter can see the points but does not want to conform, with what is said. She moves based on her 5senses, what she See's physically when she is looking at him, and also the ears the words he has spoken to her. So the mother says I do not want you to see him anymore…. that means don't meet him outside don't talk to him on the phone, do not write him letters, nothing completely cut him off, she says yes ma’am to the command.

However her desire for the things mentioned previous along with the curiosity of the not being able to explore what attracts her, the mind goes to work to find that way, In a surreptitious way, slithering through truth to find an opening that was not covered by mommy, ah, at last (THE INTERNET). Although she is aware of the command do not see in anyway, it is not specified to her no Internet, what do you call that movement, a slithering snake, this is why the bible spoke of the creeping crawling things as a comparison to the beast as a state of mind, so what does one call that (deceptive intelligence), an intelligence that went counter clock wise to the command and the truth of what she could see in the command by the logic of it.

In the sense of being told about it, but not in the sense of experiencing it, so she engages in a death state for surely he is what (momma) says he is, NO GOOD FOR HER. Now momma is under a trial for speaking the truth, that her daughter has rejected , how does momma handle such trials. Each and every circumstance that occurs in ones life, is the product of an event that has taken place in the past, and now is reflecting the nature of its consequences in the present.
If someone tells you something positive, you would not receive it, because it does not fit the pattern of thoughts that you have. Meaning it is not in alignment with your decision.

For most of us, freedom is an idea and not an actuality. When we talk about freedom, we want to be free outwardly, to do what we like, to travel, to be free to express ourselves in different ways, free to think what we like. The outward expression of freedom seems to be extraordinarily important, especially in countries where there is tyranny, dictatorship; and in those countries where outward freedom is possible one seeks more and more pleasure, more and more possessions.

If we are to inquire deeply into what freedom implies, to be inwardly, completely and totally free - which then expresses itself outwardly in society, in relationship - then we must ask, it seems to me, whether the human mind, heavily conditioned as it is, can ever be free at all.
Must it always live and function within the frontiers of its own conditioning, so that there is no possibility of freedom at all? One sees that the mind, verbally understanding that there is no freedom here on this earth, inwardly or outwardly, then begins to invent freedom in another world, a future liberation, heaven and so on. Our thoughts are the registration of our preferences projecting such into our future endeavors. They are not typically conscious out waying of consequences.

Hopefully people will SEE.

Look at the words to this song….

SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL

Please allow me to introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and taste
I’ve been around for a long, long year
Stole many a mans soul and faith
And I was round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But whats puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
I stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain
I rode a tank
Held a generals rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made
I shouted out,
Who killed the kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reached Bombay
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what’s confusing you
Is just the nature of my game
Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
cause I’m in need of some restraint
So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I’ll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down
Oh yeah!
Tell me baby, what’s my name
Tell me honey, can ya guess my name
Tell me baby, what’s my name
I tell you one time, you’re to blame
Oh, yeah
What’s me name
Tell me, baby, what’s my name
Tell me, sweetie, what’s my name
--The Rolling Stones

In this song they are saying that it is you and I that are to blame. Meaning the nature of our thoughts and by way of ignorance in understanding our emotions.

One Love,
Deanna

"D" said...

To answer your query, I am registered to vote and I vote neither Democratic nor Republican. I usually vote independant.

Peace,
Deanna

The Bear Maiden said...

Hey all-mi-ti... for the record, Obama's politics are allright by me, but in the end, it doesn't matter what his politics (or any body else's, for that matter). In the end, the one with the most money wins. They get what they want. If they don't get it legally, they buy their way in the back door. I'm not kidding about the Hedge Fund people. At my last real corporate job, which was in the hedge fund industry, I was there during the '04 elections, where Florida was holding up the results. The owner of my company, who had A LOT of money, and got even more when he sold his company to State Street the following year, was overheard (by my direct boss who I um, was very close to) on the phone with Jeb Bush, telling him "You people have to get that right, down there, cuz you're costing me money". And we all know what happened after that. From that point on, I lost faith. So the thing is, what does it matter who's in office? What does it matter what their politics are or what they supposedly stand for? In the end, deals are made that have nothing to do with the wellbeing of the country, and everything to do with business. I feel like I'm choosing between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, but for once, it'll be nice to have a devil who looks like me. Make me feel better while I'm gettin' screwed.

Plus, politicians are a strange bunch. For all the public life they lead, I've yet to meet one who doesnt have some real funky skeletons hanging out in their closet. Makes you wonder why they run...

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

D - so precise as usual. and u right, i mean i never heard them AA WHITE CANIDATE about the white vote? And u know, u make me want to run down the list of media outlet GE owns. any who loved the zionism anology


Bear Madien - i agree, and many have lost faith. There is no difference. Its a machine, i mean a car runs the same after u even change the oil.

Quicifer - id say folks more intrested in Brittney spears than true change, what say u?
jameil1922 - no Gore for me, he couldnt eve win Tenn, his home state, if he had, FL would not have even ,mattered.

sha - Rayo wild.

Prettyblack - y thank u hon

Don said...

DON - a newspaper, LOL I guess im the black fox news network TRUTHFUL and DIRECT would be my slogan...wait till u see what i got land for fritag LOL

I sat here while waiting for the Celtics v Mavs to begin, and read each and every comment.

This is some good stuff.

Props to your Memphis NCAA. The Knicks need Derrick Rose. Bad.

Don said...

lol @ jameil saying McCain is 93 years old.

Don said...

As for the whole Abraham Lincoln thing I wonder why some people always bring that up. The act of freeing the slaves wasn't through good intentions it was a way of trying to prevent war So let's quit with the abraham lincoln Diatribe good doctor.

*standing ovation*

I see you, pretty black!

Curious said...

I always thought black folk turned to the Democrats after the New Deal, when FDR started making up work programs and a few members of the family were able to feed there families. I maybe wrong, but any feeling of obligation that folk had was then reinforced by Johnson when he signed the Civil Rights Act, that so many of us who believe the myth think that Kennedy tried to do before he died. And then when Bubba from the South played his sax, felt your pain and then blew his wad in the Oval Office proving he was black, well then what self-respecting black person can resist a party like the Democrats.

Plus, as Dubbya has proved, the Republicans don't need us. Hardly any blacks voted for him in the last 2 elections and yet he still won. True they are probably still finding some 2000 Dade County ballots with Gore's name punched on them, but if you have friends who can look after you, then who cares.

I don't want to sound like a self-hating Jew, but most black people will not move or think for themselves until they are spoonfed whatever the Massahs want to feed them. So until the other parties like the Liberterians, the Greens, the Socialists or even the Bloombergs stand up and say "where here now crawl over to the dark side," we will continue to support the 2 party system and idolize the one party, the Democrats.

BTW, I'm glad Edwards is out. If I had heard one more time about being the son of a mill worker...

MrsGrapevine said...

There was a time when Republicans were on our side, and radical racist groups (KKK) were against the Republicans. The Republicans fought for the 14th Amendment.

In 1950's this little thing called domestic terror re-emerged but this time they were anti democrats and civil rights, and aligned themselves with the Republican party. I think this scared many a blacks toward the democratic side who were fighting for their civil liberties, while the Republicans used the government to enforce racial injustice. The 1950's is more of recent history than the reconstruction era, and so many blacks, especially those in the South have pretty negative views of the Republican party and their extremist groups.

Therefore I think a lot of blacks are democrats because recent history shows that democrats had their better interest in mind during a time of severe racism and apartheid. So those who still remember racism and lynching tend to be more of a democrat and justifiably so.

In years to come it will probably shift again, as all things are cyclical. As more blacks move into blended communities their views will change and they we see a different Republican party, one that's anti central government.

msladydeborah said...

I made up my mind to actively support Obama early in the stump. It is a decision that I made after doing some research on his political stances and some personal soul searching.

I was a Marxist for years and seldom voted for any of the traditional candidates from either party in a national election. But in the local elections I have voted for the Dems. There have been some people that have worked very well in office.

I live in a state capital and it is political here everyday. Ohio is one of those conservative states no matter what party is in charge.

There are some ideas that the GOP have forwarded that I think the Dems should consider looking at in depth. Self-reliance and independence is definitely on point in my mind.

In the end~no politican is going to satisfy the entire population. They are just people who work with what they are handed.

Whoever wins this particular election is going to have to clean up Bush's lack of leadership mess. That is going to take time and a lot of energy.

Tamra said...

I don't get the logic for doing anything out of blind faith, and that includes voting for somebody just because they're a D, R, or other.

I've been so disgusted with politics in the US (at all levels) for the past several years that I've not really been inclined to/excited to vote until now.

There's something different about this election though, and it's not necessarily because we have a really good, viable African American or woman candidate. --It seems like there is a possibility for a departure from Washington "politics as usual" here. I hate that I can't be more concrete than this at the moment, and I'm totally aware of all the "issues," but I seriously sense that we have a really good opportunity ahead to "change the course" of our country in a number of ways.

So, I'd very readily vote for Ron Paul or Mitt Romney if there were no other alternatives, but I really do like what I see in Mr. Obama. I hadn't planned to make up my mind so early on, but the events over the past few weeks helped solidify some things--including why I HATE politics...

I do what I feel I must based on facts, issues and feelings (keeping the feelings part of the equation to a minimum...).

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

Don - a fool, u blogdaddy (replace blog with mac). LL

Curious - good point, that ma be true, but i will guestimate tha andy young, maxine waters (whose huby got an ambassador appt via clinton) and john lewis may be tha way, but behind the curtain, i bet they slot it for Obama, wha thinks u?

Tamara - u like me, Dr. Paul is my first choice, but since it looks as if he wont make Obama is mine now, policy over looks, color and any other cosmetic thang. I cast my vote for Obama early, last week

msladydeborah - a marxist, dang, all africans peoples party too i bet. But can respec that. u true

Mrsgrapevine - true, and i undrstand th premise based on recent history, but we have more tha recent times and with that said, it doesnt justify us GIVING them our vote. Lke Garvey said, a tree w/o roots.....and I know u know the rest

Curious said...

No doubt T, no doubt there will be some people (politicians) who will vote their concious when they are behind that curtain. But I cant help think of Winston Churchill's daughter-in-law who became embassador to France, and sorry I can't think of her name right now, but how she took Bill around to the right parties, meet the right people and taught him whom to owe favors to and whom should owe favors to him. A 16 year old Clinton political machine was built that will be hard for a lot of people to fight against.

When Pat Buchanan called the Democrat running team "Clinton and Clinton" at the Republican Convention in 92 or 96, even he knew then Hillary was part of the greater Clinton machine plan.

Ultimately, people will vote for who they want to vote for, but for the Democrats it's the political bosses who count and control and sway the party and it's the bosses who will have to figure out whom will be best for them, the machine or the challenger. And I'm sure any favors owed will go back a long way, just ask Maxine.

Vox Populi said...

one point:

before we go trashing lincoln's legacy ...

go visit gettysburg.

I hear ya on the war and the banking and etc.

The truth was that the majority of people in america wanted to end slavery. Whatever his reasons were and I don't know ANY better than you ... he did it. He gets the kudos.

He's DEAD, isn't he?? assassinated and all. Just LIKE THE REST OF THEM

I am so OVER revisionist history.

Be very careful how you get led down the path.

NO ONE WOULD DARE TOUCH MLK's legacy in front of me.

White/black

BE RIGHT.

yeah .... this is a good blog.

it's nice to read so many intelligent folks who give a damn.

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

cyrious - that 15 years is what i am afrid of, i men tht a lot of K street funding

Vox - so true, and im tired of it too, i was just trying to say his policies were more Whig than republican, but im amenable to a discussion and can change if affronted with the right info

Xavier Pierre Jr. said...

I am a man. I am black. I am an American. I am a voter. I have never voted for a Democrat. I don't vote for people based on the letter after their name, but on wether of not they represent my interests and the interests of my family. The leading Democrats have consistently presented and promoted policies that are at the heart of the decline of families in general and black families in particular. I know the origins of the Democratic party as well as any Dixiecrat). These people have NEVER had my interests at heart.

Peace and Love,

Alizé (LoversA.blogspot.com)

Karrie B. said...

i will admit that i'm quite ignorant about politics, so i'm not voting. i'm ignorant simply because i choose to be. i'm not interested in politics, nor do i care to talk about it or see it on the news everyday. if i were 2 vote tho, i'd go for Obama. he's got charisma : /

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Xavier - i do the same and ergo, u are a man of my own character. and i would carpet bagers to dixie crats, interested in loot only

Karrie B - respect that, i man, im land owner so i really didnt have to vote in America, for it is republic and not a democracy

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It just so happens that I've voted Democrat in the elections I've been able to vote in; however, I'm always trying to discern who has the best interest at heart of the PEOPLE - whether it's Dem, Rep, or others...

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