Saturday, August 23, 2008

Itsy bitsy baby steps

Point of order: SouthPeezy (Vibe and XXL writer & my folk) and ATilein stopped by the shop and had some vino with me on Friday.

Speculative processes enables one to do many things, in particular prepare and attempt to gather understanding. In my last post, I asked a question that I have been thinking about for sometime now: What happens if or when Obama looses in the general election in November. I have not really read or heard anyone discuss this or even broach this subject at all, let alone with any modicum of plausible discourse.

Seems that what is anticipated is a change. Maybe it is the intense and repetitive banter suggesting a need for change, which is true. Or maybe it is the extreme prejudice associated with the possibility of having a man of African descent take up residency on Pennsylvania Avenue. I cannot quit say but I do know that many see it as a truism albeit such has yet to take place.

Don’t get me wrong, I do hope that jones wins the general election in November. However I am prepared just in case he doesn’t. I cannot say the same for a large corpus of folk who take his victory as some did the Patriots over the Giants this past Super Bowl.

It may be by chance, or more so history, that he may not win. I mean historically, we have never as a people gotten this far. Even to the DNC in which a man or woman of color has been awarded the nomination for the presidency. I was taught that America granted (yes granted for freedom has only been asked for by folk like me and now taken aggressively) rights to folk like me via history and his-story in itsy bitsy baby steps. This is a big jump and complete change in discourse if jones just moves ahead of the class and claims the role of commander in chief. We see how the GOP get’s down and McCain is a dirt slinging, scorch and burn, old school, chemo-drug filled mutha fucking raw dawg politician.

I just really wonder how many have given true thought or discernment towards the possibility that he may loose in November to John McCain, and if he does, what happens to this country we all cherish so dearly, even with its faults. What will happen to the democratic party and this republic for which it stands if Obama ends up on CNN or what ever news outlet you watch and concedes to John McCain? Are you ready for that? Can you handle that? And what will happen in these streets and what will you do if he doesn’t win? Cause it is real in the field. vote

Addendum: Immortal Technique-Dominant Species

I'm stuck inside the future and life is chaotic
The government is psychotically racist and robotic
The matrix of entrapment is socio-economic
Erotic conspiracy theory becomes reality
Life is war, and every day's a battle to me
I'm on the brink of insanity, between extreme intelligence and split personalities
But I elevate to the point of reversing gravity
Revolutionary conceptuality spitting out of me
Even the dead people in my family tell me they proud of me
Stupidity's not allowed by me
Cuz I don't got time to play
I'm the black whole lyricist that'll take your shine away
Darkness at any time of day
I'm the Technique and your nobody so what you trying to say
Stellar density becomes your physical alignment
1.8 billion tons per square inch confinement

53 comments:

Skoolboi Krush said...

I have always believed that something was going to happen at the last minute to prevent Obama from winning the election. I'm prepared for that result. Either way, it isn't going to stop the bills from being due or my plans for the future.

Immoral Matriarch said...

If he doesn't win I'll continue on doing what I'm doing, just as I would've if he had won. Only with a broken heart.

With Joe Biden as his running mate, I think he's upped his chances even more. Other than Biden's drug policies, he's a pretty good candidate and he'll go for the jugular during the VP debate. I can't wait.

no_slappz said...

skoolboi, you wrote:

"I have always believed that something was going to happen at the last minute to prevent Obama from winning the election."

You're right. It's called Voting on Election Day.

brran1 said...

I think that most people are so wrapped up in the fact that he's gotten this far, that they haven't taken the time to worry about what would happen if he did lose.

Hopefully, people will make it to the polls so that he will win.

Go Obama!

aulelia said...

if he loses, it will be extremely painful but we have, as black people worldwide, should really look at him as an inspiration.

team obama as always but being realistic is good.

Kofi said...

I agree... I'm not sure people understand what would happen if he does lose.

Emeritus said...

love immortal technique.

ummm, i haven't thought about what i would do. like so mean ppl here said, life would go on but i would have the heaviest of hearts.

meanwhile, i would be even more watchful and vigilant and my senses would go on high alert. for sure i'll be reading and watching various sources of information more than ever to see what new law/policies are being put into place.

~if Obama doesn't win, God help us all.

MP said...

LOL I am completely unprepared to face the reality that will exist if Obama loses.

fly tie said...

...

the way i'm seeing it, it's gonna be business as usual whether he wins or loses, so eh..whateva. can't get wrapped up in all that. what i *can* do is be progressive in my own right despite what happens with obama or these elections in general.

who knows what'll happen with america. i've certainly heard plenty predictions and non sound like anything i wanna be a part of.

(if you have any, i'd like to hear/read your thoughts or ideas about cynthia mckinney and rosa clemente. just whatever. their campaign. them not having a chance at winning. their stance on the issues. whatever you got. or point me in the direction if you've done this already.)

Garth Sullivan said...

if obama loses it will depress more than just black folk.

it will depress anyone who wants to see this country start doing the hard work of governing again in the interests of the people.

as a practical matter, mccain is going to be facing a democratic congress who has their marching orders on certain issues (yeah, yeah.. i know they haven't shown much spine) so we'll see.

i mean it is certainly possible that obama wins the popular vote, but loses the electoral vote. if that happens, i expect people will suck it up and accept the fact mccain one.

life, protest and demands for change will continue.

Keli said...

The fact of the matter is...

some are not ready to face what will happen if he loses, because they don't understand what actually can happen if he wins...

either way, there are going to be alot of angry black folks, when the dust settles and the smoke clears.

Let's just hope that the dems keep control of the House and Senate.

I do like the Joe Biden pick...he had to go with someone that had the experience and the political know how that he lacks...especially in regards to aiding with foreign policy...umm...but look what Cheney did for the Bush administration...so not really getting to giddy about this one either...

I want the Obama/Biden ticket to win...then appoint my girl Hillz Secretary of State...then I'm good.

If he does not win...we will need to come together to promote change on a local level...if Obama does win...we need to come together to promote change on the local level...it starts within the community.

SistaSocialite said...

OMG honestly, if Obama doesn't win... some people will digress and go on with their lives, but others may cause a riot or something, who knows? I'm NOT prepared for that, especially when I live in DC OMG.

Aunt Jackie said...

How can one plan for failure and success at the same time? I was always taught that it was best to focus on one thing at a time, so for now I will focus on a win.

If the time comes that I need to focus on loss than I will do so at the appropriate time, but it would seem fruitles to be planning for a loss if that's not the desired outcome!

shine said...

if he doesn't win, we will continue to do what has been done before--survive. if does not win i am prepared to gather the pieces and move forward. we've all learned how deceiving american politics can be--i don't take anything for granted.

Kit (Keep It Trill) said...

Wonderful question for folks, and true, black progress has come in baby steps.

If Obama or McCain is elected, I think we can expect the draft and the economy continuing in it's downward spiral which will leave us in a Great Depression.

If McCain is elected, this is the worse case scenario:

~ a nuclear attack on Iran, if Bush doesn't beat him to it,

~ the US attempting to over-throw Venezuela for oil and Cuba for payback,

~ more military involvement and bases set up in Africa, which is already in motion,

~ and war-by-proxy with Russia but fought in Georgia and maybe Poland & the Ukraine,

~ our soldiers on the ground in Pakistan, which is unraveling,

~ increased support to Halliburton and other mercenaries - some who aren't even American - who will be hired to patrol urban areas here in the US. We got a glimpse of this during Hurricane Katrina. They are also are above the law,

~ an increase of martial law in urban areas with blacks and Latinos disappearing into Guantanamo-style prisons here in the US, which already exist. These are well-guarded but there are no prisoners in them yet. They got big plans for us, and will use them with the slightest provocation or excuse,

~ a continuation of a White House above the law, cementing the trend of this country becoming a dictatorship,

~ and a push toward us having a new name called the North American Union - an idea that Bush & Cheney and the neocons supports once their other goals fall into place.

Although I write about love relationships and social issues, I've also written about these things too in previous in-depth political articles. Come visit.

Torrance Stephens - All-Mi-T said...

Skoolboi Krush
Only time will tell

Immoral Matriarch
I would hope it makes us stronger, many in past have lost on first try and returned stronger – I hope HE wont quit if it happens

no_slappz
Slappz – was that siupposed to be funny lol

brran1
You are right and that worrys me u know how we quit

aulelia
Realism is a must

Kofi
No one has even given it a thought, like the giants and pats game

Emeritus
Yep, he is the truth – and his lyrics may foretell of the expected – glad you will continue to fight, some will be broken – the weak

MP
Most are

fly tie
That is another fear – return to the status quo

Garth Sllivan
He man, don’t be depressed, and I was speaking about all who desire his victory. I want folks not to give in and continue to fight

Keli
Now that’s science
some are not ready to face what will happen if he loses, because they don't understand what actually can happen if he wins...



SistaSocialite
Wasn’t trying to upset u sister, just asking if folks have tjought that such may be possible based on American history.

Aunt Jackie
I was taught to always be prepared. Have a dime (back then) if u need to make a phone call. Apply to more than one med school, in case you don’t get in your first choice – preparation, regardless of the future is never futile.

shine
That is my point as well

Torrance Stephens - All-Mi-T said...

KIT
I agree. He will become the USA version of Stalin

Kellybelle said...

I just believe. I think about how I felt when the returns came in from Iowa. I think about how I felt when he clinched (more or less) on my late mother's birthday. I'm just trusting, knowing deep in my heart that the time will come. And when the arc of the moral universe starts bending toward justice, nothing can turn it away.
If I'm disappointed, it won't be the first time and it sure won't be the last.
Great blog!

shaun. said...
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shaun. said...

america will become a sadder place. people will realize that education, common sense, motivation and charisma really count for nothing, and that we are living in a world where idiots (if the right color and backed by the right people) will always win.

black people know what its like to be black on the outside...but Obamas loose will effect us internally.

*but people will go on about their daily. just with a little less of an american dream .

too deep?

Blog Queen said...

If he wins...GREAT! If he loses...the pessimist in me will stand up tall and say "I told you so". However, optimism is my strong suit but realism is who I am. I'll therefore wait, see and go from there.

T.Allen-Mercado said...

I will be in the end just as I've been through the whole arduous campaign, indifferent. I was nearly smite for saying so, but it is what it is.

ytba said...

If I were African American and Obama lost, I would be dancing in the streets for joy.

Do you have any idea how many of his Black constituents Obama has victimized so far?

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

So, just think of the damage he could do as president!

He doesn't care about you, and you owe him no loyalty. With as many decent Black potential candidates out there (mostly republican), I don't know why you would want to invest so heavily in such a looser.

Get the facts

And, while you're at it, lighten up!

The True Urban Queen aka Sharon said...

If Obama doesn't win, I still plan on living and loving life.

My children had a great example of how far they can go.

SagaciousHillbilly said...

I beleive in OBama. I believe that he can and will facilitate change in the same way that JFK ushered in the 60s and empowered people to make changes.
He currently has a 25 point advantage in the 18-30 vote. If he loses, I think and hope that the youth and other factions (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) will rise anyway. They will demand change and bring about mass disorder.
I can dream, can't I?
Me? I will hunker down here on the farm and supply the troops with food and lodging.

Darius T. Williams said...

Yea - this is something that we need to think about. The whole What If scenario.

esin said...

To your point, i suspect that somewhere between "kit", your own foresight - And a slightly 'kinder' version of same will likely be endured. McCann was generally a bit more grounded in reality and humanity then he has been given to 'share' of late- for his need to satiate the extreme rights need for imposition.

To some other points, if I may;

(gerund being none race specific)
I wince to my gut with each iteration, 'my ni**a'. Young men, boys, referring to each other; initially, race specific, now any 'may' refer to friends, acquaintances, strangers as though they have some intimate knowledge that the rest of us have no concept of.
I think I understand my own revulsion,,, this is not 'merely' a remnant of white on black violence, the memory of the stories, the shared guilt, but more, the feeling as though we have taken for granted, the acceptance of mans' inhumanity to man,,, that somehow this is acceptable, even intrinsic to humanity.
Grandpa's little girl is about to enter 1st grade. For a year we all heard about her best friend in school. On the last day of class, moving up exercises ;) we met her new best friend,,, a precious little sweetheart, demure and uber intelligent (much as is grandpa's little girl;) and, oh btw, as black as the blackboard itself,,, throughout the year, my littlest girl never felt this was important or significant enough to mention... it simply had no bearing.
I wince with each thought of the day that they discover something about our most primitive history and how each they must adapt for todays' realities~


" I'm stuck inside the future " ;)
" i need no explanations..no apologies..i just read between the lines and see " Having been married 30 some years ;) this poem resonates... so nicely said... I've just purchased the book ~regards

btw, I'm going with JObama by 5%, wishful thinking, perhaps, but imesho, Joe Biden will quell many fears, fears noted above, held by many, and now, subdued for some to the point of being able to pull that lever~

maxx said...

http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Unveiled%20Democrats%20Racist%20Past&tp_preview=true&CFID=32736068&CFTOKEN=11946729

Read this, please. It's long but well written.
Research and verify, then tell me why any black man or woman would vote for a democrat.

Justice4Claire said...

My brother in Colorado and I were on the phone the week before our B-lo Bills played the NY Giants in their first Superbowl loss of four in a row to come and he did what you did, verbalized the unthinkable. Imagine if Buffalo loses he said and we were both quiet for that nanosecond of dread and doubt. Naaaaah, we conluded, no waaaaaay. So if O tanks, I can't bring myself to say if McCain wins, I am thinking New Zealand has a great climate, speasks English and my kids cdna learn the Maori Hakka in gym class instead of some 3 year old hip hop number nobody does any more. Scary stuff yo. Being from B-lo gives me and edge though. When Neil threw away Pittsburgh's Superbowl a few years back I told my bro in law, I feel your pain Johnny but call me in 3 years after they drop some more and you'll feel where I'm from ! Love the blog Peace.

maxx said...

You'll have to copy/paste
Sorry

maxx said...

http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/2008/01/democrats-and-racial-politics-from-jim_27.html

Here is Ms. Rice's website

Torrance Stephens - All-Mi-T said...

Kellybelle
Thank u and don’t be – read what true urban queen said below

shaun.
Not deep at all,

Blog Queen
Well in probability all things are possible

T.Allen-Mercado
Just don’t be down trodden sister

ytba
OK, im a libertarian but I disagree – they do owe us, the American people, if they run and secure public office this aint 1940 Italy folk – thanks for the drive by and i wasnt being hard - just objective, no facts required for opinion folk

The True Urban Queen aka Sharon
Such a sage – yes the children did - priceless

SagaciousHillbilly
How many acres u got and what u grown, I only got 11

Darius T. Williams
Just food for thought

esin
I apologize, don’t read james Baldwin and Richard wright. But I understand, and I have a 3pt margin of error with 6 percent victory estimate for obama, but the 20% in middle, many hill bill supports I cant guage – im writing about that as we speak

Justice4Claire
Thanks hon, and u forgot New Zeland – great vino

maxx
I checked it out, she does have a point, about 4 mths ago I wrote a similar piece
href='http://rawdawgb.blogspot.com/2008/01/hook-line-sinker.html

esin said...

" james Baldwin and Richard wright " over my head ;) but those 20% are precisely those I was writing of ~regards

Demetrius said...
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Curious said...

A quick aside. Joe Biden? Joe Biden is good if you're looking for a hatchetman, because he is definitely an attack dog who leaves bite marks. But if he has so much experience then why are we where we are now?

But to your post, if Obama loses then maybe nothing will happen. I don't think there will be riots in the streets like some 3rd world countries. The 60's have long gone and Rodney King is just a footnote. If nothing happened when "W" first became President after Florida, nothing will happen now unless something flagrantly untoward is responsible for Obama losing.

Or maybe it will prove the old axiom "Only Nixon can go to China." Maybe only a black Republican can become President.

Demetrius said...

I believe Barrack Obama has that potential to facilitate change, but will he have the courage that it takes to shake loose from the evil dictators who really call the shots in this country. John McCain is already declaring his stay to course ambitions so if he's elected expect nothing to change.

John F. Kennedy had the love and respect of the people and that is what motivated him to turn against the demands of his wicked handlers--unfortunately that may have been the reasoning behind his death. For change to occur in this country the same kind of bravery and honor is going have to manifest from the heart of the next president of the United States.

"It is honestly a bloody trail, but it is a path that needs to be crossed."

~only time will tell

ytba said...

Torrence Stevens said...

"ytba
OK, im a libertarian but I disagree – they do owe us, the American people, if they run and secure public office this aint 1940 Italy folk – thanks for the drive by and i wasnt being hard - just objective, no facts required for opinion folk"


Sorry, but I haven't a clue what you are talking about. What I was referring to is that YOU owe OBAMA (and the Dems) nothing. Also, you didn't address Obama (and the Dems') victimization of Blacks. I hope that doesn't mean you are OK with that?

You guys seem serious and thoughtful, just a little off base, probably due to a lack of accurate information. I see Maxx tried to raise some consciousness in that regard. I hope he succeeds.

Regards

ytba said...

PS - Do you know of any Black women who've had abortions recently? You probably do, since they have many more than any other, and all because the Democrats want to "help," (thanks to their pal, Margaret Sanger just 'cause they like ya sooo much.

I'm guessing that before you will change your minds about Obama and what he really "stands for" you would have to unlearn a lot of nonsense they've got you to believe. That's why I don't expect you to just accept what I say without checking it out. However, I'm confident that if you make the effort, you'll see I'm right.

Here's another on M. Sanger, and her connection with the Democrat founded KKK.

And, I'm not a "drive by." You left your calling card on FloppingAces Blog, which means you were extending an invitation to whoever over there wanted to come here. I accepted the invitation.

DeadMule said...

Great post T.,

There is, of course, a real possibility that Obama may lose. But I heard black folks always say, "Just because you don't have a chance to win is no reason not to try." That was the attitude that made the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s so successful.

If Obama loses, progress will be slowed. But we need not go backwards. True the economy may suffer, and we'll be in for further years of war.

Now there is a real chance that Obama might win. We must seize the moment: we must rally for what's right. For, as we know, progress is not the goal; equality is. If you look around, you will see, not everyone for Obama is black. But racism, sadly, is alive and well in the US.

The bottom line is if John McCain is elected president, things won't be any worse than they are now.

SagaciousHillbilly said...

T, 100 acres. . . mostly hay ,a little corn, but we're fexible.
Lots of chickens, turkeys and ducks. . . 100% organic of course.

Tony OH said...

I'm staying upbeat Bruh... I won't entertain losing, not if you truly are a competitor!

ytba said...

THE WRONG KIND OF "CHANGE" FOR ME

"FROM WASHINGTON STATE

What I saw was at least 3 trained group agitators -- Since my MA is in group dynamics and group facilitation I recognized when someone is using techniques that I have been trained in. If such individuals were planted in ALL precincts, along with bringing in ringers -- then ALL caucus results are bogus. For this sort of intensive origination to take place in a rural area -- this means that a vast amount of money was spent to manipulate the results of the caucus. The Obama supporters kept changing the number of delegates -- subtracting Clinton delegates and increasing Obama delegates, each time they claimed someone had changed and they had to do "complicated" math and that's why Clinton kept losing delegates. There were NO Clinton supporters checking the Obama "math"."


Read the rest to see the kind of "Change" Obama would bring to the table.

It's not good.

ytba said...

OK, I'll make this my last post. If you won't listen to me, maybe you'll find African American politicians a little more credible?

Please watch the videos here

"right click" on "watch" and then "open in new window"

no_slappz said...

If Obama were to support ideas that would improve the US economy, he'd win big.

But, his plans -- if enacted -- would lead to higher gas and oil prices, higher taxes and lower employment.

He does not seem to understand that capital -- money -- goes where it's well treated. Since we live in a "global economy" investors can choose any country on the globe in which to invest. By invest, I mean building factories and other sites for economic activity. Investors can put their assets wherever they like, and if tax rates and labor rates are too high in the US, investors will take their money to more hospitable nations, like China and India.

Obama is popular outside the US because many people in other countries see the benefits flowing in their direction if Obama is elected.

Torrance Stephens - All-Mi-T said...

esin
yea they can throw a wrench in my analysis, and u missing some great reads folk

Curious
Honestly I never thought of it that way and you the 3rd person who made ref to such.

Demetrius
I agree he has thefacilitate change, Im scraed that K street will back him in a corner and maybe even told him to get Biden on Board, I wanted powell

ytba
I was speaking with respect to all elected officials, and sorry, some say I speak mephisian

Im glad u did, and again its blog speak for visit, im country like that and im gone chk that out asap, hope it don’t make me mad – I love your blog BTW

DeadMule
As a libertarian, I hope not, I just like to brace for the unlikely like having a spare tire. I hope that we take America back all of us and show the world what we really are

SagaciousHillbilly
W
O
W

Tony OH
Do you keep a spare tire?

ytba
That’s autocratic and not chage at all – k street will like that

no_slappz
Your last comment may be a good thing fopr us, but I don’t see how he nor mccain could alter such outcomes – what ever they do this is a global market place and village – unfortunately the globe is more important than the citizens of this great nation

Demetrius said...

Ytba; if Barrack Obama is such a detriment to African Americans it would be in the best interest of each racist bigot in America to vote for him Right?

Reprimanding is not victimizing, "you have to get the disloyal ones out of your circle"

The Obama family could be taking up their residents in the "White House" very soon:)

Marcus LANGFORD said...

i think you are right brotha t. we are all pulling for obama to lock this thing in, but i am very suspect about his getting to the white house and for some reason i have this feeling that something may be pulled from the far-end of the field to knock this brotha out. outside of that, go obama!

:::Marcus LANGFORD:::

One Man’s Opinion said...

Well, speaking for myself, life goes on regardless of who wins. Of course I always want the brother to take it home, but that's just the little racist in me. It means nothing. Take for instince yesterday, when I was watching Blake and Young playing tennis. Even though they were both black I was hoping for Young to win, because both his parents are black (how wrong is that). LOL
Anyway, the American people are Resilient.

Big Cheekz said...

my hub & i had this same discussion not long ago. i said it was gonna be rodney king riots all over again, he said we'll be ok - bcs for some, it'll be another let down and black folk are used to being let down at this point. i told him black folks ain't gonna be right ever again if this man loses, just because he's so close to winning. black folk ain't gonna vote no more. they gonna feel like that loss is another thing the white man stripped us of. but take away white and black - i just want him to win cause i don't think i can deal w/another republican runnin thangs for 4 more years.

Tera said...

I keep hearing chatter about his inevitable death just moments after winning...a scary thought...Secret Service will probably have to share a bed with him and Michelle!

Love the flow my dear...this was a great read! :)

Torrance Stephens - All-Mi-T said...

Demetrius
Great points.
Marcus LANGFORD
He will if he starts throwing blows

One Man’s Opinion
Yes we are and u said it AMERICAN PEOPLE

Big Cheekz
If somebody try and shot jones while in Denver it will be on, but I hope cooler heads prevail if what I wrote about happens

Tera
Thanks hon, hope u feeling better and they better be all over Mile high stadium

Seven said...

I'm late checking this out. I apologize. Things have been hectic and I've been lending myself out way too much.

"Stupidity's not allowed by me
Cuz I don't got time to play
I'm the black whole lyricist that'll take your shine away
Darkness at any time of day
I'm the Technique and your nobody so what you trying to say
Stellar density becomes your physical alignment"

I'm definitely feeling it.

look said...

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